Our recent problems have stemmed from her not giving me as much attention as I've wanted because she was busy testing midterms. Supposedly she has 13 classes- a number I can't even fathom because I took five classes during my senior year including two electives. I was making the effort the past two weeks and the response I got back was relatively cold. I would see her online from time to time and text messages weren't entirely answered completely. Calling her was difficult because she was just exhausted from spending all morning, afternoon, and nights at school- sometimes six of seven days a week. That's right, seven straight days of endless studying. Physics, chemistry, calculus, and some more on top of that. Night time tutoring with forty other kids. Private tutors to her home all the way in Thu Duc District (Really far from Phu My Hung). My proposals to hang were often shot down. For a while I thought she just simply didn't care. I was petty and thought she was picking and over exaggerating her situation. I thought she was just fed up with my cussing or antics.
I finally saw her again yesterday after about a ten day absence. I wasn't full of emotion or rage. Thrilled by the notion of seeing her, the foot injury I sustained from some jackass ramming into me felt perfectly fine. We met up in District 3 near her school where I had just two hours to entertain her before her 7 o' clock extra math class. 7 PM, btw, not AM. I offered her two options on where to go and she quickly shot both down. I gave up and didn't know the area at all. I realized my mistake and lack of assertiveness but was it really my fault? I had already given her two restaurant options and she said no to both. I reluctantly agreed to go to Ngoc Suong. It was close by and it looked nice enough. I knew Ngoc Suong would be expensive, but I spent the last two days eating table scraps and instant noodles to prepare for this date. My food costs for the last two days totaled only about 80,000 dong- that's a little more than four dollars for two days.Peeking at the menu prices I almost flipped out, but it's okay, I wanted to spoil her because unofficially she's my girlfriend and I fancy her.
I never had soft-shell crab before and she knew exactly what to order. After a bit of confusion over availability we got down to business and enjoyed a nice salad as well. The meal was light. She told me she wasn't that hungry so she ordered two more delicious egg rolls. Typical Vietnamese right? Things went well. I didn't cuss and I was moderately unemotional. We discussed where we stood right then and there. I told her about how I felt within the past few weeks and she suggested that I be more understanding. The frustrations just stemmed from the disappointment of getting constantly neglected. I didn't want to push her too hard on this. The more I asked and griped the more she will become distant. She needs her own space and I just need to trust her. I have to trust that she really is busy and that my presence my compromise her future education. A part of me is glad she chose school over me, but the selfish part of me begs to differ. She suggested that I wait just another two months and then she won't be as busy. I looked her in the eyes and promised I'll try my best not to be so discouraged at her unwillingness.
But everything has a limit. Is it really a relationship if one side constantly feels like the other party is uninterested? Is it fair to me to wait around and get tempted by other women? If I can't handle the next two months, how am I going to take things to the next level with her and what about when I eventually go back to America? My time here is limited. I could go back at a moments notice. I'm impatient and I want this relationship to move faster or stop completely. Sometimes I just have to calm down and breath and remind myself that she is good for me even though she's really different and we've already lost some of the magic we originally had. She isn't as nurturing as she once was and she tries to change me or suggest that I change certain bad habits. She isn't as thankful of my generosity as she once was and sometimes I feel like she's gotten used to me and doesn't appreciate me as much as in the beginning. Is this already how a typical loveless Vietnamese marriage usually begins? Am I in one of those relationships where the man eventually will have to cheat on his partner because she just is being too Vietnamese? Is it mostly the Vietnamese women's fault that their husbands aren't faithful to them? I think so.
So what should I do? Should I keep at this juggling affair where I constantly feel like she doesn't care enough about me or should I terminate what eventually might be a disaster? I don't want to give up on her because I believe in this relationship but at the same time, I'm just tired. Honestly speaking though, I think this is the longest relationship I've ever been in ever. Most women find me highly attractive in the beginning but once they get to know me they see just how overbearing I can be. Maybe I'll really improve myself after all this. So what do you guys thinks? I can't push her into a corner and make her choose between me or school. It's pretty obvious that I will lose. Should I have to endure a relatively one sided relationship? By the way, the meal wasn't all that expensive... Maybe 20 bucks or so.
How old is she Kyle?I think that she must be busy with school
ReplyDeleteregardless of what happens, you're learn a thing or two about yourself and the game.
ReplyDeletehey kyle
ReplyDeleteyour overthinking this relationship thing.
space is the best thing to allow for yourself as well as for your girl. you need to go fish for more women. that is the only way. once you can rid yourself of the desperation, then the women will come in by the bus loads.
before i met my soon to be wife in dong thap,
i had so many girlfriends, even when they knew i had a girlfriend they would ask to be my second girlfriend or wife. so when i read your situation i am sort of baffled especially being that its in Vietnam. if you are having this much problems with girls in Vietnam, i can't imagine how it is for you in the USA. sometimes though, VN girls in general dont act that different from their US counterpart. So the same rules sometimes apply, like the more you want them the less they want you. GAME is universal, and it goes to to heart of human emotions. Ask yourself why do you have such an interest in this girl when she shows you so little interest.
Hi Kyle,
ReplyDeleteMan, she is only talking to you again because she chose that expensive resto Ngoc Suong!! If a girl really was into you, she would not be as cold as she has been. No excuses about school! Maybe she got sick of some other guy who wasn't spending money on her so she's come back to get some more 5-star treatment from you. Please don't put yourself in this position because in 2 months time you will be a a slimmer dude becasue you have spent all your money on this chick and she will still be cold.You need to take care of yourself and don't let infatuation run your life. A relationship needs tp be honest and a 2 way street. If she really digs you, she will go out of her way to make you happy, just like what you're doing for her. Wake up and be a MAN dude!
The problem is in 2 months time I won't be spending all my money on her because I won't see her that often to begin with. In actuality, I'm really frugal with money. I don't splurge her or hand her my hard earned money. I think spending 20 dollars on her and me for some nice food in a nice environment isn't going to hurt in the long run. But you're right, if she really was into me she would go out of her way to make an effort like she did in the past.
Deletei dont understand something, you said in one of your other blogs that only ugly girls have to care a lot about school because they know they cant get a rich guy to take care of them. i never seen her face but from reading your blog i dont think that you would be spending your money on a girl unless she looks good. whats the deal with that? are all the girls there just trying to find an easy way in life? or are there really some good ones that care about their school and look good at the same time?
ReplyDeleteby the way, from a girl's point of view, i think that you should find out why this girl wants to go to school, if she is going to school for some kind of specific job then maybe you should leave her alone, cuz if you dont see yourself staying in VN for her or her moving to US for you then stop wasting each others time.
Yes- most girls are just trying to find an easy way to life. I think she's going to school and studying so much extra because her study habits aren't enough to meet the demands of the rigorous Vietnamese education system. She's going to school so she can graduate 12th grade and get into college- which means 3 series of texts. A LOT OF TEXTS including finals.
DeleteI am sure there are some that care about school and look good but it's very hard to find those.
I don't know where I see myself right now.
she's just not that into you! if you're interested in someone, you'd still make time for that person even if you're very busy. even if she can't see you in person, she could have acted more interested in online conversations, calls, or texts. how much effort or time could that possibly be? instead she acted rather cold towards you. who initiated the meeting this time? i think you should act indifferent towards her now. let her come to you. don't call, text, message her unless she initiates the contact. don't let all of your feelings out on the table. it makes you vulnerable and less desirable. she already knows you're head-over-heels for her. why would she be interested in you now? girls are likes guys in the sense that they want what they can't have. like you said, "I feel like she's gotten used to me and doesn't appreciate me as much as in the beginning." i'm sure you believe there's still hope for this relationship to work. that's because she's leading you on, REELING YOU IN WITH HER FISHING ROD AND LEAVES YOU HANGING IN THE AIR TO SUFFOCATE. she should take the fish or free it back into the water. if you want to give her one last chance, then wait for her for the next two months like she suggested. if she continues to be distant and continues to turn down dates, then you know she's just not that into you, and you should move on. but for the next girl i would suggest giving hints that you like her, but don't put all of your cards out on the table. good luck.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree Kyle, she is just not into you. Stop trying to polish up a turd and calling it a trophy. Actions speak louder than words. From a girls perspective, if a girl is into u, she will go out on a limb. On the other hand, my gfs and I had a saying in college, "boys f*ck up your gpa"..so maybe she smells your desperation, and is backing off. Trust her and see what happens, but don't stop living your life, keep looking at other girls while your backing off, sometimes letting go of something u can't understand is the best way of coming to an understanding...anything is possible..keep your chin up bc this white chick thinks u are wonderful!! You are an amazing videographer...focus on YOU.
DeleteI know ur getting tired! but be patient!! ^___^
ReplyDeleteit's a common thing in vietnam~ people take school really serious~ I know how she feels >_< Give her more time!
goodluck kyle!!
- h3r092
Hey guys thanks for all the comments. First, I don't think she is using me for money or for a good time. It was actually my suggestion to go to Ngoc Suong because there was nothing else in the area. Secondly, She is a graduating senior from high school (It's not weird, because she's 19 and I'm 23)
ReplyDeleteThe issue I have is not that she chose school over me, it seems like school has completely over whelmed her life, yet she still has time to go on Facebook-yet doesn't have time to text me back within a reasonable amount of time? She'll say she'll text me or whatever and never end up doing so.
It seems unfair to me that I make the time and effort for her yet how busy can she be when sending me a text would take 5 seconds. If I was important she would make the effort despite being busy.
As you all can probably see, I wear my emotions on my sleeve and I'm relatively inexperienced and unsucessful with women for a prolonged amount of time. I tend to get over needy and I don't want this to be a repeat of all past relationships. So am I being unreasonable when I want to see her often and I expect her to show interest me even to the smallest extent?
I don't think I can date multiples at the same time. Morally, I've been programmed to feel guilt and shame when it comes to infidelity. I don't want to be a typical Vietnamese man. I rather have her call it quits with me so I can move on. If I confront her about this and she even said it herself,- the more I push and gripe the more she grows distant from me. The honest truth is I don't think she is seeing any else. She is completely honest with me when we're together. She tells me her ex texted her and all this and that. She has to have friends too. I can't expect to be the all mighty sun and the moon to her because she just isn't that into me yet.
i use to have no game too. the og's that i use to hang with would always tell me it has to come naturally you can't force it. it wasnt till like around 29 that i finally felt comfortable with the game. but looking back, i really wished someone would of schooled me earlier so i wouldn't of wasted so much time and passed on so many hot chicks. if you want to be in any relationship you have to understand GAME. its not about being promiscuos or committed, its just the way you carry yourself. confidence, charisma, and character. again loose the desperation and neediness its a real big turn off with girls in any country.
ReplyDelete"...where the man eventually will have to cheat on his partner because she just is being too Vietnamese? Is it mostly the Vietnamese women's fault that their husbands aren't faithful to them? I think so."
ReplyDeleteUh, now that's just plain nonsense. Childish, and self-centered. Seriously dude. Get a grip.
Vietnamese women tend to let themselves go after marriage. They don't dress up. They don't take care of themselves. Six years ago I came here and met some really beautiful girls who married my cousins and now six years later they are all fat and ugly and my cousins all cheat on them. Another thing is that Vietnamese women tend to withhold sex as a reward. It's rarely ever mutual. They refuse to give it to their husbands so their husbands go elsewhere for it. When men want to display affection, a lot of the women just push them away- citing they are ticklish or tired. I feel like relationships aren't as physically affectionate here as they are in the states. Sure, they hug each other on their motorbikes here, but the notion of cuddling and foreplay doesn't seem really apparent here.
DeleteOMG your cousins' wives maybe fat bc they've had children and dont want sex bc they're exhausted from house work and kids and needy husband! Get a grip on yourself. You're only 23 with a full life ahead.
DeleteIt's not just my cousins' wives. Every time I'm in a room full of Vietnamese women I just shake my head at how they let themselves go. It's not about having children or exhaustion. It's about pulling their weight to make the relationship work. I only started working in the countryside because I dated this girl and felt like I wanted to enjoy a few more luxuries with her. If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have to endure being miserable for 8 hours every weekend.
Deleteuhh no!!! ur wrong. u seriously dont know anything about women. it is about having children and when u grow older u tend to get fatter. weight is not the centre of how the relationship work....holy crap. when women get to that age theey just dont want to have sex anymore. for most guys... they just get sick and tired of their wives after yearsss.. lol. dang ong luc nao cung not faithful LOl
Deletebtw i dont she is interested in u at all. if she takes this realtionship seriously then she would take a little time to see you. like u said u even has time to go on fb lol...
i think u should dump her and find a better girl that carres for you and spend more time with you :)
Okay. thanks fot the advice.
DeleteThis is the real Tin Man replying, and not the person who faked my name in the previous 3 postings.
ReplyDeleteI've chatted with you for hours over several sessions and have seen her face. I'll leave out the privy details and just say it, "Trust your gut instinct and move on. She's not interested!"
If you can afford to, just keep her as a side project and see if she will initiate contact 2 months from now. But find someone else who will reciprocate effort and affection. And yes, welcome to the GAME.
Dear Kyle!don`t be intimidated if what you want in your relationship with that girl seems like an inpossible challenge!Don`t feel selfish about putting yourself at the top of the priority list!I find it very normal that she plans for obtaining the things(school)that matter to her in life first!and you are absolutely right that the school system here in VN is very rigorous!if you dont study diligently then you will fail!I feel bad for her and all the students here!Be patience Kyle!
ReplyDeleteSeriously, you're a 23 year old Vietnamese American in living is Saigon. You should be playing super smash bros all day, without the bros. You obviously know yourself in regards to relationships pretty well, so we know you have the answers to the questions you may have. You don't agree with yourself at times thats all.
ReplyDeleteWhat fails a lot of guys is that they can't keep up with the game they initially spill. Don't spill your whole bucket at once.
Oh man, just move on and find some other nice girl who appreciates you for who you are! don't put yourself in a hell hole every week-end to earn extra dollars just to maintain her. Ask yourself, would she be interested in you if you didn't have an American passport? If the answer is yes then by all means do whatever you want to please her. I really hope that you don't let this girl run your life. I think you deserve better!!! You're too nice of a gentleman!!!
ReplyDeleteHey Kyle,
ReplyDeleteI really hope that I'm wrong but this girl seems like she's just playing you. I understand that the education system in VN is really challenging but when a person truly likes someone they'll definitely find time to at least text or make a quick call. Sometimes girls in VN also do this thing where they create distance and then give the guy a little bit of attention only to follow up with more distance. They do this so that the guy would stay interested for a long time as opposed to quickly moving on like with easier girls. I know the logic is weird but it worked on my brother. I've followed your blog since the beginning and hate to see hurt/confused like this. If you go back to your older entries, you will find a more refreshing Kyle who came to VN, eagerly explored its bounties, and lived it up like a baller. I know that things are a bit rough for you right now but I hope that you don't loose your spirit. $20 isn't expensive for two people in the US but considering a country where a common worker makes $5 a day and the fact that you've been depriving yourself for two days just to save some cash, that's a pretty expensive meal. Obviously what you do with this girl is up to you but keep in mind that healthy relationships tend to leave both parties satisfied and happy. Best of luck!
Already posted advice to you in a previous entry. Hope you read it!
ReplyDeleteHow do I put this in a nice way? Basically: She no good for you!
You need someone who shares similar values. You are more American than you are Vietnamese. You need someone who understands your jokes. Only an American girl would get you. Do you want me to set up something with my friends for you when you come back to the states?
C'mon Kyle, you already know this isn't good. Why are you putting yourself in a situation where you're bound to get hurt? You're a nice Vietnamese American guy. Find someone who will appreciate that.